Lloyd, Samuel

Clwyd Family History Society have the names of his parents as Thomas & Jane E. Lloyd, 22, Ewart Street and I have used that information to research, so any help would be gratefully received, as I want to be accurate, but the lack of Army Service records is hampering telling his story..

Samuel was the 2nd son of Thomas & Jane E. Thomas and I found a marriage of a Thomas Llewellyn Thomas and a Jane Ellen Jones in St. Thomas’s Church, Rhyl in 1898 (Denbighshire North (Rhyl) CW10/01/E140) which would fit, but have to have sight of the marriage to confirm or deny, however as Thomas was born in Denbigh and Jane E was born in Holywell, it wouldn’t be much of a way for them both to go to Rhyl, also there is the fact that their eldest son was Llewellyn making it a good case.

However the family were living at 22 Ewart Street, Saltney on the 1901 census, Thomas Lloyd, 25, and a Railway Engine Stoker had been born in Denbigh, Denbighshire, his wife Jane E., 24 had been born in Holywell and they were both bilingual (English & Welsh).   Their eldest son Llewellyn was 1 year old and baby Samuel was 4 months old and they had both been born in Saltney, Flintshire.

The 1911 census sees that they family had moved to 23, Ewart Street, Saltney (4 rooms) and Thomas. 35 was now an Extra Locomotive Engine Driver, Jane was now 34 and they had been married 12 years, 7 children had been born to them with sadly losing 2 of their children.   Son Llewellyn, 11, Sam, 10, with son Leslie, 5, daughter Violet and baby Eva May, 11 months old, being the newcomers to the family.

I cannot find any Army Service records for Sam, but the Soldiers in the UK, Died in the Great War, 1914-1919 for Samuel tells us that his birthplace was Saltney and he enlisted in Chester and confirms his regimental information.

Samuel Lloyd in the British Army WWI Medal Rolls Index Cards, 1914-1920 tells us that his first Theatre of War was France and he entered it on the 19th January 1915, he was killed in Action on the 26th October 1918, so confirming that he was age 15 when he enlisted and only 18 years old when he was killed.

Samuel Lloyd in the UK, Army Registers of Soldiers’ Effects, 1901-1929 gives the sole Legatee as mother Elizabeth Lloyd, paid out on the 20th March 1919 the sum of £13 12s 4d with the War Gratuity of £19 0s 0d paid to her as well on the 9th December 1911, (should it have been 1921?) which is obviously a clerical error and I am wondering if the name of his mother was another clerical error, or we have the wrong soldier and as I cannot find any Army Records with the names of his parents on we need more information, if anyone can help in this way, please get in touch.

His brother Leslie Lloyd was also in the war but he survived, his Flintshire WW1 Index Card (Saltney Ferry L132) shows his regimental number as 89098, R.W.F. Period of Service 2 years, Private and the card was signed by E. L ROBERTS

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