McIntosh, Joseph

Name of Researcher / Enw’r ymchwylydd: Mavis Williams

Name of Memorial / Enw’r gofeb: Connahs Quay

Name / Enw: McIntosh, Joseph

Regiment/Catrawd: 2nd Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers

Service Rank and Number / Rheng gwasanaeth a rhif: Lieutenant (Was originally Private 16360)

Military Cemetery/Memorial / Fynwent milwrol: Grangegorman Military Cemetery

Ref No Grave or Memorial / Rhif cyfeirnod bedd: RC Officers 24

Country of Cemetery or Memorial / Gwlad y fynwent neu gofeb: Republic of Ireland

Medals Awarded / Medalau a ddyfarnwyd: Victory and British War medals

Date of Death: 10th October 1918

Date and Circumstances of Death / Dyddiad ac amgylchiadau marwolaeth:

Drowned 10th October 1918 in the sinking of the RMS Leinster

Joseph Francis first appears in a census in 1891. He was just a baby. He lived in Munforth Street Flint with his family . His father and head of the household was Thomas a 35 year old bricklayer who had been born in Ireland. His wife, Phoebe M was 36 and a dressmaker who hailed from Liverpool. Their children were John B H  13, Louisa M 11, Margaret was 8, James 6 and Minnie A 4  (These 5 were scholars) Joseph F was 3 months old. All the children had been born in Flint.

Ten years later in the 1901 census the family were still in the same street in Flint. Thomas was 45 and a bricksetter. Mary Phoebe was 46 and still a dressmaker working on her’own account’. The children listed were Margaret 17 a general domestic servant, James was 16 and a blacksmith, Alice was 14 and Joseph F was 10.

The 1911 census finds the family living at 51 Salisbury Street Shotton. 55 year old Thomas was still laying bricks but was working at the iron works (John Summers). Mary Phoebe was 55 and the children listed were James 25 a ‘Bardragger’ in the iron works and Joseph Francis who was 20 and a student of teaching. There were two male boarders who worked in the iron works. The form gives us some sad information. Mary Phoebe had given birth in total to 12 children and 6 of them had died.

The 1911 census gives us some information about a young woman of 20, named Dorothy Kate Lobe. She was a schoolmistress at St Winifreds in Bangor, N Wales and had been born in Walthamstow in Essex. She became a significant person in the life of Joseph Francis McIntosh as we shall see later in his story.

The Hawarden County School Register tells us a little about Joseph : –

240 (23) McINTOSH, Joseph (dead) Date of Birth – 9th January 1891 Lathom Villas, Shotton, Father’s Occ. – Bricklayer. Date of entry 4th October 1905 Previous Ed. – Connah’s Quay Council Scholarship. Prob. P.T.   Date left September 1908. Mids 1909 Elem. Teacher.

There is an index card for Joseph in the Flintshire Roll of Honour at The County Record Office in Hawarden. It confirms the regimental details above and adds that he was a 1st Lieutenant. It says he ‘died through the sinking of the Leinster on the 9th October 1918. (It was the 10th). It was signed by ‘Mrs McIntosh’ on 5th February 1920.

His brother James was also in the War, but survived, his Flintshire WW1 Index Card (Shotton L 168) gave the address as 51, Salisbury Street, Shotton, Royal Scots. Pte., his period of Service was 1914 – 1919  303105  1914 Victory & Allied Medal. Served in France.   Card was signed on the 16th January 1920 by J. McIntosh.   He was also on the Absent Voter’s List of 1919 – No. 2762   McINTOSH, James  51 Salisbury St., 303105 Pte., Royal Scots (His entry on the 1918 list of the same name was -7882).

UK Soldiers who died in The Great War 1914 -19 accessible on cotains a cursory entry. It gives his death date, rank and regiment and says that he ‘drowned’.

Imperial War Museum – Memorials project – ttp://
Recumbent stone scroll, open book and kerbs. Lead lettering. – Inscription

Joseph’s medal card tells us that he first joined the army as a private but was promoted at some point to Lieutenant . The card tells us that the first theatre of war that he served in was France. He was awarded the two medals listed above. The word ‘drowned’ is written on the card. Mrs McIntosh 51 Salisbury Street, Shotton, Chester  is written on the reverse of the card.

J McIntosh

Flintshire Observer 24th October 1918


As we see from the above newspaper cutting, Joseph did his teacher training in Bangor. At the same time Dorothy Kate Lobe was a 20 year old schoolmistress at St Winifred’s School in Bangor (1911 census) . Joseph Francis McIntosh and Dorothy K Lobe married in the spring of 1918 in Guildford Surrey. (Qtr June, Vol 2a page 169). Ironically, the 1901 census tells us that  Dorothy’s father Paul G Lobe was born in Germany but the census form states that he was a ‘British Natural Subject’.

J F McIntosh in the UK, Army Registers of Soldiers’ Effects, 1901-1929 tells us that there is no Legatee as such, just amounts of money and Transfers – 2 of £2. 12s 6d and 3/3d in December 1918 to Cox & Co. And one transfer of £162. 15s 4d on the 1st January 1919, then£3. 3s 0d to CP Irish in November 1918. The War Gratuity of £5 has nothing written saying to whom it went.

The England and Wales National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and administrations 1858 -1996) has the following entry in 1918 – McIntosh Joseph Francis of 51 Salisbury Street Shotton Cheshire Lieutenant died 10 October 1918 at sea Probate London 18 December to Dorothy Kate McIntosh widow. Effects £55.11s

Below is an e mail we received from Mark McIntosh a great nephew of Joseph Francis McIntosh. He tells us what he knows about what happened to his Uncle

‘My Uncle Joe’.

I am the Great Nephew to Joseph Francis McIntosh (on the war Memorial His name is spelt wrong as Francis Macintosh! I found that out from my family research).
My Great Uncle Joe joined the Royal Welsh Fusiliers in 1915 and was posted to Flanders. 18 months later he suffered Shell Shock and Trench Fever and as far as I know when he recovered he was sent to Oswestry to be trained and promoted to Lieutenant. According to the War records he was awarded 2 medals one for bravery.
He was posted to Dublin and on the 10th October 1918 I presume he was on his way home, because he was on a Holyhead ferry from Dublin. The ship just reached a lighthouse on the Irish coast when it was hit by a torpedo from a U boat. The Captain turned the ship around to go back into Kings Town as it was known then, when it was hit by a second torpedo and exploded. My Great Uncle was killed aboard the ship and is buried in a special Graveyard in Dublin.
The sinking of the ship was one of the greatest disasters because 500 lives was lost and was hushed up for a very long time. I have the book on the sinking and my Great Uncle is mentioned in it.

The Sinking of The Leinster

This event is now well document but at the time it was hushed up for a number of reasons. The date was 10th October 1918, the signing of the armistice was weeks away. Peace talks were seriously threatened by the attack on the Leinster. The Leinster was a passenger carrying mail boat between Kingstown (now Dun Laoghaire) and Holyhead. The Germans should not have attacked a civilian ship. On board, however were about 500 military personnel. The situation in Ireland was getting more and more difficult. It suited neither Britain nor Ireland to have it known that Irish men were in the British forces. For these reasons the event was understated. The numbers reported dead were minimised.  The first figure suggested that 176 had died. The last official figure was 501 but subsequent research has identified 529 victims. It was in fact  the biggest loss of life ever in the Irish sea.

To learn more about the sinking of the Leinster follow

To learn more about the U boat (UB-123) that fired the three torpedoes at the Leinster follow

To learn more about another Flintshire soldier who was drowned (with his two children) on the Leinster follow the link to Charles Harold Blackburne’s page on the Mold Memorial. George Wright Mole of Bagillt was also drowned in the sinking of the Leinster

See also ‘Death in the Irish Sea’ by Roy Stokes

Also ‘Torpedoed…The RMS Leinster Disaster’ by Philip Lecane ISBN 1-904381-29-4 Periscope Publishing Penzance

Many thanks to a number of contributors on the ‘Army Forum’ on who helped considerably with this research